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  • #46
    Being from the UK, I have found what works for me is to accept that I am not nor ever will be the cheapest. If cheap is what a potential client is after, then I'm not for them.

    What they get from me is service, and a very high quality one at that.

    And when all is said and done, the work I do does actually work out 'cheaper' because of the amount of hours and passion I put into my work.

    I have to say one thing though - I really don't care too much any more for potential Property Developer clients (well, at least a certain type) - in my experience they are the worst for wanting low prices. I'm very nearly at the point of rejecting *any* enquiries from such client types with a simple "I'm sorry, I don't touch property developments".

    (because to give them an accurate price takes time to properly evaluate their project).

    They look at you like they do building materials from a builder's merchants, like bricks, sand and bags of cement, i.e. what's the unit cost, how does all this affect my bottom line.........
    Last edited by JezUK; 07-07-2017, 01:55 AM.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by prateekvishwa View Post

      I agree that the price change as per location, dont know about china but $50 is way too low even for India.. It is not just surprising but shocking aswell for me as i dont know even single such person my circle who will agree to spend even few hours for this fee!
      I know specially when you investing in legal software.
      sometime ago I hired a freelance in Pakistan and it was a desastre.(only modelling)... I paid for something and I can't use so I had to do it by myself and the reason why I hired him were price and difference in time (like 10hr ahead) ...it was a nightmare because I had to model something that normally takes me 2 days in less than 24hr ...no time for eating, resting, bathroom, etc and he had 5 days to do it.






      show me the money!!

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      • #48
        Almost everyone I tried to use has failed me. I have two guys that I trust.
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        • #49
          I don't want to make fun of someone's work, but this is from a client who went somewhere else because I was too expensive. He ended up coming back to me and he was glad to pay. It obviously ended up costing him more, but he learned a good lesson.

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          • #50

            I am into archviz since 2005, started fulltime freelancing since 2008. I was pretty happy with the way things were going since i had very good understanding with an architect + developer from UK, I was quite comfortable working with him as he was giving me sufficient work & then through word of mouth i got couple of other clients & i was busy all these years. I never tried to market myself neither bothered to expand.. things started going wrong since the day that guy from Uk decided to discontinue from this field due to his own personal reasons.. This came as a shocker to me as all these years i was told that we will grow together as he got some big plans in future.. this was one of the reason why i never tried to look elsewhere..

            I learned a bitter lesson from this episode that never put all your eggs in 1 basket! & thn frantically i started calling my old clients.. sending email randomly from net search. offering free sample to convince clients about the quality of my work. I was offering free sample thinking that once i will do free sample i will surely be able to convince them about the quality of my work but nothing worked .. couple of people contacted me to do free sample.. they showed lot of interest & said my work is really good & kept me engaged in updating the free sample till their satisfaction & then offered peanuts for my work.. I even tried to look for work over sites like freelancer.com, upwork etc.. i was feeling sad that inspite of +10 years of experience and irrespective of remuneration i giving my best to all my projects all the time.... still i am in such a situation that i am searching for work on sites like freelancer.com, upwork.com etc.. Still trying hard to sustain as long as possible with a hope that it is a phase and will pass.. no success so far! but yes it is a great learning experience..


            Originally posted by glorybound View Post
            I don't want to make fun of someone's work, but this is from a client who went somewhere else because I was too expensive. He ended up coming back to me and he was glad to pay. It obviously ended up costing him more, but he learned a good lesson.
            I think it is all about getting the right person.. Just wondering isnt the portfolio speaks about the capabilities of a visualizer?

            Originally posted by flino2004 View Post

            I know specially when you investing in legal software.
            sometime ago I hired a freelance in Pakistan and it was a desastre.(only modelling)... I paid for something and I can't use so I had to do it by myself and the reason why I hired him were price and difference in time (like 10hr ahead) ...it was a nightmare because I had to model something that normally takes me 2 days in less than 24hr ...no time for eating, resting, bathroom, etc and he had 5 days to do it.

            really sad to know that people are loosing trust like this.. i think its not about money always.. i have seen people who are charging bomb but not giving any outstanding quality.. likewise i know some freelancers who are charging quite nominal but their work is really superb.. like i said above.. i feel it is all about getting right person.
            Last edited by prateekvishwa; 09-07-2017, 03:35 AM.
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            • #51
              The free sample thing might be doing more harm than good. Maybe, free for a good cause, but not free to let someone take advantage of you. Nobody will take you seriously or give you any credibility if you are willing to work for free. People who work for free are working to get experience. Who will trust someone with their project who is just learning?
              Last edited by glorybound; 09-07-2017, 12:10 PM.
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              • #52
                "I think it is all about getting the right person.. Just wondering isnt the portfolio speaks about the capabilities of a visualizer?"

                I keep seeing a guy I sent work to advertise on LinkeIn. His work wasn't even close to what he was advertising, he didn't make any deadlines we had together and he totally blew me off on the last project. I think his grandmother died 3 times over the few months I tried to work with him; it turned out to really be a joke. I have had clients say that the website they saw didn't reflect at all the quality of work they got. Apparently, these companies send the next job to the next person available regardless of skill level. Don't get me wrong, there are good and bad people everywhere. I think I got the best of the best with the guys I use. but like everywhere; it is hard to find good help.
                Bobby Parker
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                e-mail: info@bobby-parker.com
                phone: 2188206812

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by glorybound View Post
                  The free sample thing might be doing more harm than good. Maybe, free for a good cause, but not free to let someone take advantage of you. Nobody will take you seriously or give you any credibility if you are willing to work for free. People who work for free are working to get experience. Who will trust someone with their project who is just learning?
                  yeah may be.. i was struggling to get work so i was experimenting different ways.. have learnt that work doesnt come like this.. i still dont know how to reach out to client haha! Isnt reviews on linkedin gives a bit of idea about quality or work? & then whois lookup data of website which shows the inception date of website etc..
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by prateekvishwa View Post

                    yeah may be.. i was struggling to get work so i was experimenting different ways.. have learnt that work doesnt come like this.. i still dont know how to reach out to client haha! Isnt reviews on linkedin gives a bit of idea about quality or work? & then whois lookup data of website which shows the inception date of website etc..
                    I haven't gotten any work from LinkedIn. My work comes 95% from Google and about 5% from old contacts. I was looking for a storage pod for my recent house move. I Googled it and I couldn't find anyone that covers my area, so I dismissed that as an option. About two weeks later I was talking to a friend and they gave me a contact to a local guy that has the storage pods. Moral of story is, if you are not on Google's first page you don't exist.
                    Bobby Parker
                    www.bobby-parker.com
                    e-mail: info@bobby-parker.com
                    phone: 2188206812

                    My current hardware setup:
                    • Ryzen 9 5900x CPU
                    • 128gb Vengeance RGB Pro RAM
                    • NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 X2
                    • ​Windows 11 Pro

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by glorybound View Post

                      I haven't gotten any work from LinkedIn. My work comes 95% from Google and about 5% from old contacts. I was looking for a storage pod for my recent house move. I Googled it and I couldn't find anyone that covers my area, so I dismissed that as an option. About two weeks later I was talking to a friend and they gave me a contact to a local guy that has the storage pods. Moral of story is, if you are not on Google's first page you don't exist.
                      haha so true! & thanks, will keep this in mind!
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