Autodesk have done it again - This time with the Arnold Render

[LudvikKoutny]

I don't think they were paying all that much for mental ray...

Best regards,
Vlado

I trust you have a lot better sources than I do. Non the less even if that was a case... "not all that much" is still better spent on a capable renderer than a Mental Ray i think

[Dave_Wortley]

I don't think they were paying all that much for mental ray...

Best regards,
Vlado

It was my understanding that they were/are paying a hefty licensing cost annually, and will be until 3 years after they stop including it in their software. Ouch.

[bigbossfr]

I really really really hope that ChaosGroup will never never sell VRay.
Can be great if 1 day, ChaosGroup can create a little Katana...

[glorybound]

I am sure money talks and if the price was right, we would understand.

[jasonhuang1115]

I really really really hope that ChaosGroup will never never sell VRay.
Can be great if 1 day, ChaosGroup can create a little Katana...

What do you mean by little Katana?

[vfxronin]

I really really really hope that ChaosGroup will never never sell VRay.
Can be great if 1 day, ChaosGroup can create a little Katana...

+10 all in one solution nuke + katana

[Morbid Angel]

its an enormous job to create a full app.

However, its quite not impossible with new tech out there, and software like max / maya being old like dinosaurs, this can really have some potential.

But then again, you have houdini, which is like sandbox already, so why reinvent the wheel?

[vfxronin]

its an enormous job to create a full app.

However, its quite not impossible with new tech out there, and software like max / maya being old like dinosaurs, this can really have some potential.

But then again, you have houdini, which is like sandbox already, so why reinvent the wheel?

Its called RND and evolution, you reinvent the wheel to make it better till is no longer a wheel but a flying delorean

[glorybound]

I really don't get the subscription, other than greed. If the software works, leave it alone and just sell it. There will always be new users coming on board, so they'll always be revenue. I know corporate greed; I have seen it first hand, so that might be what's going on. Everyone wants a cash cow and if you can invent a way to create one, you will, if you are greedy. Nobody is crying for fast iteration, so saying you are moving to subscription so everyone is on the same version, is hogwash. We are now buying the same software over and over, every year. It's absurd!

[Morbid Angel]

you forgot to add - a half working software. After every new release you need 10 service packs before its usable.

[dlparisi]

I really don't get the subscription, other than greed.

I think you do get it.

[glorybound]

Capitalism at its finest!

[glorybound]

Also, be careful using their 360 service. Apparently, if you use it, they own your work.

You hereby grant Autodesk (or warrant that the licensor of such rights has expressly granted) a perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, royalty-free, paid-up, worldwide, sublicensable (through multiple tiers) license to store, display, reproduce, modify, use and transmit Your Content, and further waive “moral” rights or other rights with respect to attribution of authorship or integrity of Your Content that You may have under any applicable law and under any legal theory.

http://www.autodesk.com/company/lega...e-rev-9-6-2011

[andybot_cg]

Also, be careful using their 360 service. Apparently, if you use it, they own your work.

You hereby grant Autodesk (or warrant that the licensor of such rights has expressly granted) a perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, royalty-free, paid-up, worldwide, sublicensable (through multiple tiers) license to store, display, reproduce, modify, use and transmit Your Content, and further waive “moral” rights or other rights with respect to attribution of authorship or integrity of Your Content that You may have under any applicable law and under any legal theory.

http://www.autodesk.com/company/lega...e-rev-9-6-2011

Bobby, that gave me quite a shock! But then if you read the first sentence - it seems to me it is in relation to their ability to provide and maintain their service. Further down they have various language about protecting your content. Just saying - yes the legalese is bad, but you may be reading too much into it.

[glorybound]

I am not a layer, but it looks to say that they can use your work in any way they want. It sound very much like Facebook's disclaimer saying that they can use your images without your permission for anything they want.

https://www.facebook.com/terms

Bobby, that gave me quite a shock! But then if you read the first sentence - it seems to me it is in relation to their ability to provide and maintain their service. Further down they have various language about protecting your content. Just saying - yes the legalese is bad, but you may be reading too much into it.