pitch project.. hope cilent will like it

[pailhead]

I think clients appreciate sushi, good wine, lobster dinners, juicy stakes... Architects appreciate their designs, and seeing their buildings built, developers appreciate the $$$, someone building a house may actually appreciate a rendering, framing it near their bedstand as something to look forward to while its being built or something.

[prateekvishwa]

Sorry Guys, was busy with some projects, but didnt bother to post in this topic because i was getting mails in between from this so called German company... "3d-architecture-ducks.de"

After i posted last in this thread i got around 5 mails & even two calls from the guy called Carsten.

1st mail (19th Sept 2011)--
To all involved Partners,

accounting Project overview - effective: 19.09.2011:

Received Payments from Clients:
HZ, PT, KR UU, QW, LJ(19.09.2011),IK, IK2, PÖ, WJ, BN(16.09.2011)

Paid Projects to Supporters:
QW,IK, IK2, PÖ, WJ China HZ, PT, KR UU

Open Payments from Clients:
NY, IE, LU,PL, GR, OM2, ER3, OD, TK, HW, NU1, KP

Reminder to Clients:
KI, PT2, IH

Regards
3D-Architecture-Ducks


So my name was in the list of open payments.

Second email (Monday, 26 September 2011)--
Hello Prateek,
i only want to give a sign from our Company.Tom told me you hold projects till you get your payment.That is ok for me.
Mrs. Horn told me the bills are still open, but get paid in the next days.After paying you, Tom can give you the next projects.He also told me you try to improve your skills till that time, for more photorealistic pictures.That’s good. Have a nice time till the next project.
Carsten

Third email (10th oct 2011)--
Hello Mr. Vishwa,
Carsten is this week in Dubai. But I check your account. Two Payments are open. One client have paid last Friday, one payment is open.If its ok for you we wait some days for the open payment, then we can transfer both together and have a lower fee from the bank.
Sincerely
Anita Horn

4th Email( 15th oct 2011)--
Dear Mr. Vishwa,
if the OD client do not pay this week, we need to admonish him.The client have then some days to pay.
Sincerely
Anita Horn

5th email (31 oct 2011) --
Hello Mr. Vishwa,
we have paid on Wednesday, the 19.10.2011 the money from our account. Its more then 10 days now.Normally you must have the money.But we do not get response from you?
Please tell us if all worked well.
Sincerely
Anita Horn

I REPLIED I DIDNT GET ANY MONEY, Since then i got couple of more rubbish emails with attachments as a proof of online transfers which looks absolute fake with my wrong account number & bank name. In between i got call from Carsten to whom i explained the matter, He apologies and said i will get money soon.. by mistake their account dept has transferred it to wrong account! After which i sent several emails but never got any reply...

Here is company full contact information....

3D-ARCHITECTURE-DUCKS LTD.
NIEDERLASSUNG DEUTSCHLAND
61348 Bad Homburg
Postfach 21 54
61291 Bad Homburg
Telefon: +49 (0) 6174 99 865 - 94
Telefax: +49 (0) 6174 99 865 - 95
E-Mail: info@3D-Architecture-Ducks.de

[tricky]

I can't believe you have given so much time to this fake! Now I haven't read all these threads, so I am quite prepared to be flamed for getting the wrong end of the stick, but please, "Wake up and smell the coffee!".

[glorybound]

there webpage is sad, without any examples of their work. If you look at the source code you'll see that they have a makeshift site.

[prateekvishwa]

attached is the receipt which they emaild to me as proof of transfer, several mistakes are there.. this looks like a big Scam.. im not expecting my money but atleast such scams shd get exposed..
I want , whoever their clients are should know , what this company is doing..

[glorybound]

rule of thumb.... get as much as you can upfront, and don't release your high resolution image, without full payment.

I had an architect call yesterday, who had a deadline in a week, but she wasn't willing to get started with a deposit. I apologized, and said that I don't work without a deposit, and within hours I got the deposit. It gives us, as illustrators, more credibility.

Guys! we are not CAD Tech's!

[rivoli]

Guys! we are not CAD Tech's!

well, I would expect them to be treated fairly as well..

[glorybound]

well, I would expect them to be treated fairly as well..

I agree... I guess my point was how much we charge and the service we offer.

[prateekvishwa]

rule of thumb.... get as much as you can upfront, and don't release your high resolution image, without full payment.

I had an architect call yesterday, who had a deadline in a week, but she wasn't willing to get started with a deposit. I apologized, and said that I don't work without a deposit, and within hours I got the deposit. It gives us, as illustrators, more credibility.

Guys! we are not CAD Tech's!

I agree but this is not possible all the time. architects generally do presentations to developers. it is obvious that they cant present images with our watermark. Also they are not bothered if we give them hires or lowres, generally they can present thr concept even with lowres images to their clients. And we cant ask for balance payment before submission because they are not sure if their client will be happy with the concept they are presenting.. if not they will comeback to us with amends in the designs..

ALso few of my clients, (architects mostly) got annoyed when i refused to deliver without balance payment. But yes i make sure to get as much advance as possible.

[glorybound]

ALso few of my clients, (architects mostly) got annoyed when i refused to deliver without balance payment. But yes i make sure to get as much advance as possible.

The first couple project, is now my protocol. After that I can bill them for the final.

[Neilg]

I agree but this is not possible all the time.

ALso few of my clients, (architects mostly) got annoyed when i refused to deliver without balance payment.

most of the time, if not all.
doesnt matter how annoyed they are, amends after the supposed delivery day should be an extra charge anyway. stand your ground.

[stevesideas]

Dusan, after reading your posts you sound completely deflated and frustrated with things at the moment... I personally think the biggest thing to learn is running your business. Personal work is where your passion can be tested, stretched...commercial work is unfortunately a pain in the arse most of the time depending on what kind of clients you have, but we all know what clients are like You are good at what you do you just need to let everyone know!...hope this doesn't sound patronising...its not meant to be. Your attention to detail is great !

Prateek, after reading your posts it sounds like this company is completely taking the piss. It might be best just to wash your hands of them now...obviously still chase the money and make a real nuisance of yourself. This kind of thing really angers me when you have honest people trying to earn money based on a carrot in the shape of future work.

[prateekvishwa]

Yes Steve, I'll keep chasing them. Also, i am sure most of us are aware of the company called purerender. They are doing superb work in the field of architectural viz. many of their projects are showcased in Chaosgroup showreel as well. I am a big fan of them! So, while interacting with ducks , i asked them if they aware of this company( purerender) they said no they are not aware, interestingly after few days the guy called Tom from ducks shared an image with me on skype (See attached image), i was shocked & surprised to see that image because i have seen same image in purerender gallery! i will not say he picked it up from purerender website because his image looks different version of same project which is on purerender website. I can smell, either this fraud company is outsourcing for purerender or may be run by some ex-employee of purerender, else from where this guy can get this image? Through this forum, i want to bring this in notice of purerender guys that there is something fishy going on out there..

[Troubs]

Interesting.... Thanks for the hint Prateek. Both pics are made by my friend Benjamin Brosdau, they show just different states of production. The one sent by those dubious ducks is the final version.
But you can find the final version all over the internet, published in interviews a.s.o. Just google chesterfield and benjamin brosdau, tada. So no ex-employee or the like.
Will talk to Ben as soon as i see him.
Thanks again and good luck

regards
marcus

[pixela]

Hi Guys,
I thought this was the best thread to ask about this.
What kind of agreement/client do you sign with clients? Honestly speaking, I sometimes have trouble receiving my money and thought to ask about this to you. Forgive me if I am asking something private, I just think that I need to sign a contract before each job and I don't even know where to find one or prepare one.
I will be very happy if you can help me. Or should I ask about this in a separate theread?