Anybody interested in sharing render fees?

[tom schuelke]

This is an interisting Thread now.

Well me and my partners are living in Hamburg, Germany.

for a usual immage we get about 1200 to 2000 € so far, depending on the complexity of the scene. We also do renderings of single family houses, for about 350€ with reel 3d roofs, real 3d trees and also (how was the green stuff on the floor called ?)

well this low price, because those guy allways comes back those houses all look very simmilar. and right now we can do one in about 4 to 5 hours.
we also did jobs for Airbus, but the biggest jobs we head where about 25000 € for example for the interior animation of a big ship.

at last such jobs until now came in only 3 times, and on the other way our company right now is only 2 Years old, so things start to get better.

so we where able to pay to us selve about 1500 to 2000 € the month (and we are the owner 4 guy´s), while in other jobs for example architects, they get payed between 1500 and 3000 € and also dont have to fear for their rent. and also work about 50 hours a week, while we usualy work about 60 Hours a week. and also through the night and the weekend.

only thing we hope, that future will make it better.

i also post some examples.


this flacon i did ago would have cost about 800€


this of course isnt the airbus we did, but a demo we did before
(was the time before vray came to us) and also was done for realtime
for this immage we would like to have 25000 € due to the complexity of the geometry, but we would get usualy about 8 to 10000


each house about 350 to 450 €

you also could post some examples , to get a better idea.

Tom

[shytigercp]

or hire local people to do 3d......often is also from a desing process stand point, the architect wants to have someone there to talk to as changes are made

Right you are cocolas. I work for a large Arch firm and we do occasionally design w/ 3d. It's a good foot-in-the-door for folks graduating, and as time goes on I'm seeing more students come out of arch school with better cgi foundations than the ones that were graduating say 5 years ago. I can't think of a major AIA Arch firm in Texas that does not have in-house people in their design dept or who is not planning on hiring a fresh graduate knowledgable in 3D. The only company I know who has out-sourced a rendering is very small and will probably will never again do so after the experience. Then again middle-man companies like Anderson Renderings really benefit from out-sourcing, paying artists 100-150 rendering is the latest word.

[cocolas]

It's a good foot-in-the-door for folks graduating, and as time goes on I'm seeing more students come out of arch school with better cgi foundations than the ones that were graduating say 5 years ago.

hehe...yep...that would be my story in a nutshell :P ...just graduated from arch school and doing in-house 3d for a large firm....

it's a good foot in the door as you say.....but I really enjoy 3d in itself as well


as for files we get......mostly Microstation 2d....we have to clean up plans (get rid of notes/leaders and extra junk in the drawing that we don't need) before bring it in viz.....but we're gonna switch to ADT 2005 here in a few months (at least the architecture division of the firm will).......so then architects might start to do rough 3d modeling them selfs.....then pass them on to a 3d guy to get lighting and mats in there.....but since most designers/drafters have no idea on how to do 3d.....they might get some pretty messy models out....so we'll see.

@tom: you work a lot for 1500 to 2000 € the month ......that must be pretty tough...especially w/ a family.
I thought you guys in germany were able to charge more then what you say......you should try to find some international clients that can pay more...

paul.

[Da_elf]

that airbus is awsome. i wish i had that model now. i need to do a small animation inside a plane focusing on one guy in one of the seats. but its next to imposible to find things like airplane seats etc online

as for pricing. i never charge below 1000BDS (500$USD) the building i posted not long ago for instance was 1000$ job which my best friend did in 3 hours and i spent an hour texturing and rendering and compositing. And that was given to me on a piece of paper with rough dimensions.

[tom schuelke]

Hmm Da elf

about those seats, we might ask the designer, who love to see their ideas on as many Immages as possible.

The aircabin i am not able to share sory

but if you are interised, and my partners give their ok , it might be possible.

sorry off toppic

tom

[plastic_]

http://www.marclorenz.com/tempgallery/tempgallery.php

500 - 1000 EUR for these. per project, not per image. no animation obviously.
costs depend on the quality of documentation (clean vs. messed up 2d cad files), troublesomeness of the client , number of images, etc.

usually a project like one of these takes me about 2 days.

i have to say, some prices i've seen in this thread seem ridiculously high to me.

[cocolas]

i have to say, some prices i've seen in this thread seem ridiculously high to me.

that mostly depends from where you live, the clients you work for, the complexitiy of a particluar projects, amount of changes required.....etc...


paul.

[shytigercp]

RE

Cocolas... Are you going to pursue registration? This last year I've started taking my exams after being out of school for 6 years...I'm half-way done, but I wish I would have started sooner. What part of the country do you work in?

[cocolas]

I just got my masters in arch this last december.....and I work in the Midwest...

don't know if I'm gonna pursue registration.....right now I'm liking 3d and multimedia in general.......so I'm struggling of whether to pursue a traditional arch carrer or more of a cg/multimedia one..

right now I think I'll do this for at least a year...then we'll see.

paul.

[jedisalf]

OFFTOPIC:

never heard of the Viscacha before...it looks like an oversized bunny....i looked in the internet and it appears to be from Peru or Argentina.

[zuliban]

hey guys i want to work for someone !!!

[cocolas]

hey guys i want to work for someone !!!

ha :P ...like who??

[zuliban]

for anyone who pays :P

[Zero One 010110]

Well im from Monterrey too (as bpozas) and even here the prices for a still render i can charge even less than that pozas! I had a few clients form US before and its actually a very hard experience, because the way our cultures work are different, and im not talking here anymore about architecture, but i think that anyone that had some contact with people form another countries can tell that there are always some details that make that kind of buisness relationship harder than usual, for both sides, but then again, if you can find a few good clients from other countries or overseas, that can feel confortable working with you, and viceversa, then u have a winning recepie and it can and will be very profitable to both sides!!

well... returning to topic, my usual fees goes from 350 bucks and up, depending on the blah blah blah you all know!!

[cocolas]

.... because the way our cultures work are different, and im not talking here anymore about architecture, but i think that anyone that had some contact with people form another countries can tell that there are always some details that make that kind of buisness relationship harder than usual....

that'a the main reason many firms don't like to outsource...especially abroad.....it's more of a cultural difference and potential misunderstanding because of it.......but then again, depending on the people, some relations like that can work.

paul.