Gotta Vent

[jujubee]

@ Dave and Beestee - nicely put.

interesting topic though - just hope it doesn't get out of hand

None of the other off-topics in the off-topic section really offends anyone. Some up-tight people may feel those topics are completely unrelated. Simply don't read them then.

But why does this one topic evoke 'get out of hand'? Religion and politics are polarizing topics. Religion is core belief system many people have and it tells people how they should run their lives. The only reason it would 'get out of hand' is because some people are so up-tight about their beliefs and questioning that it instills a sense of doubt about their 'well-being' and 'future admission into the gates of heaven.' That's why people get offended. 'To doubt is to 'sin' in Catholic-speak.

The world is so religion-centric. I think it is very healthy to study other people's belief systems. Even if you don't believe in something, it's a worthwhile exercise to pick up a book on Buddhism, Taoism, etc. and see what values they try to instill as well. You'll be surprised that others have moral values as well. But many people won't study another religion because something in their teachings usually says no to. That's a dangerous thought-pattern.

As a side - it's funny - more than half the baseball players on the Red Sox are extremely religious. They bring up god in all their interviews and it sickens me. They think because they are good baseball players, that god has blessed their pitches and swings lol. Their god apparently likes to see the Sox take on the Mets.

[Syclone1]

Moral avengers:

-ipraiseg's signature was stating his belief, not his religion.
-wouldn't all of you (information age generation) agree that censorship is by far more of a brainwashing tool than religion? (hitler's fave weapon btw...pol pot et al)
-there have been far more 'offensive' avatars left on (aka so n so's blackface). no comments about that one? does tht mean you're all racists? nope.
-are all religious people judgemental? nope.
-are all atheists/agnostics bad? nope.
-is it harder to love than hate? Absolutely!
-do i love pancakes? OH YES

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All Hail the Mighty Pancake!

If you realy like pancakes then you should come to Calgary for the Stampede!! its 10 days of FREE Pancake breakfasts all over the city, usually get 2 or 3 pancakes couple sausages or bacon and juice, coffee or pop! did I mention its free plus theres lunches and after work parties all over often with free food and drink. then of course theres the Rodeo and Exhibition. you can check out some of the highlights here http://cs.calgarystampede.com/

btw - this is the only time of the year that I have pancakes as I usually get my fill for the year durring the 10 days

-dave

[olitech]

its 10 days of FREE Pancake breakfasts all over the city, usually get 2 or 3 pancakes couple sausages or bacon and juice, coffee or pop! did I mention its free

It has begun!

Calgary eh??? No wonder we have a shortage of trades/artisans here in the big smoke...double wages, free pancakes???

Dave, when does it start?

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[Da_elf]

living on such a small island with so many people here who are of quite a few races and not to mention me being one of the minorities being white ive learned not to discriminate against skin, social class, religion (i used to be seven days adventist which is a group of christian jews more or less), as an artist and having gone thorugh a good art school i learned not to discriminate against others artistic interests, sexual preference (since being straight i was again a minority in the art deprartment hehe) more or less i say screw discrimination in all its forms. that being said. a distinction between censorship and discrimination needs to be checked. as well was when censorship is appropriate. I personally didnt see anything wrong with the jesus comment. i admit my bloddy keyboard thing was a little too much and i was asked to remove it which i did. its as simple as that. i didnt make a fuss about it. i could have said i wasnt going to remove it and stuck to my guns (and would have been kicked off the forum hehe). and since the line of though i was on seemed to have turned into a city with many intercetions i have no idea where im going with this anymore and shall end this off before i start talking about which gauge wire is more suited to power a 500watt car amp. so till next time people enjoy your days. tip your waiter. smile and tell atleast a joke a day and just have a happy life (:

[3ddesign]

I knew that my post would bring out some good replies, but this is more than I expected, and I think it is good. In a forum where many of us spend quite a lot of time, it is really good to get to know the main players in a more personal way.

I've never been to Europe, having done all my travels in East Asia. It has been interesting to read the posts of people who have lived in a religiously oppressive culture. I've learned a lot from your replies.

I was raised in a place where there were few Protestants and Catholics and frankly, never understood the mentality of forced religion. I think we are experiencing a back-lash effect from the mispractice of what could be a good moral code that many Christians live by.

The same thing happened in China after Confucianism took hold. It was such a good code to live by that many people adopted it. After a while it became so entrenched in their society that it became a kind of religion that everyone was expected to live by. It deteriorated into a bunch of worship rites that Confucius actually abhorred. And so it goes. I guess people are just prone to this kind of thing.

I am not in favor of Religion in Schools or Government. But at the same time, I am not in favor of Religion bashing nor in censoring people's beliefs. We have to be very careful that in our dislike of the bad religious practices of others, that we don't adopt the same tactics in promoting our ideas.

Thank you all for indulging me and letting me vent. I am probably older than most of you (shoot, I have a daughter who is 24, can't believe it!) and I have to admit that I am kind of out of my element here. I am not as in touch with the world like the rest of you are. If I seem a little weird, its probably because I am. Raising children changes a person. But even at my feeble minded old age, I am not afraid to point out things that I think are amiss. Thus, my post. It has really been refreshing. I've been staring at my screen far too long and I needed a break. Just didn't know it would be this long.

Craig

[Syclone1]

its 10 days of FREE Pancake breakfasts all over the city, usually get 2 or 3 pancakes couple sausages or bacon and juice, coffee or pop! did I mention its free

It has begun!

Calgary eh??? No wonder we have a shortage of trades/artisans here in the big smoke...double wages, free pancakes???

Dave, when does it start?

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All Hail the Mighty Pancake!

It started last thursday and runs to this sunday and yes the wages rock if you get in to the oil industry, thats the only reason I left the arch viz cause they made me an offer I couldnt refuse

With the huge housing and people shortge companies are desperate to hire down here, some are offering trips with high wages to lure people in esp in the oil industry and anything connected to it...

-dave

[RErender]

But why does this one topic evoke 'get out of hand'? Religion and politics are polarizing topics. Religion is core belief system many people have and it tells people how they should run their lives. The only reason it would 'get out of hand' is because some people are so up-tight about their beliefs and questioning that it instills a sense of doubt about their 'well-being' and 'future admission into the gates of heaven.' That's why people get offended. 'To doubt is to 'sin' in Catholic-speak.

Hmm, people with your views are just as likely (or more so from my view) to be culpable in creating an environment where it can "get out of hand". You cite as examples only extreme arguements (straw men in philosophical speak) you by association accuse believers as being stupid unthinking monstrous (from your first post) people. It is only natural for people to get defensive when hit with such low blows. The truth is that the majority of believers are good people that live by elevated moral values, those that read , understand and live by the gospel are very unlikely to do any of the extreme things that you have inferred are indicative of religion.

[Syclone1]

P A N C A K E S -- F T W!!

[RErender]

btw I have seen many discussions about Renderers, OS's and CPU's get out of hand quicker and more so than this thread. ergo, censoring ipraiseg's sigi was far from necessary.

[olitech]

P A N C A K E S -- F T W!!

Give a man a pancake, he'll eat for a day.
Teach a man to make pancakes, he'll eat FOREVER!!!



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All Hail the Mighty Pancake

[beestee]

I am probably older than most of you...

You mean more experienced than most of us

...If I seem a little weird, its probably because I am.

I am pretty sure that goes without saying for any artist.

[Da_elf]

P A N C A K E S -- F T W!!

Give a man a pancake, he'll eat for a day.
Teach a man to make pancakes, he'll eat FOREVER!!!



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All Hail the Mighty Pancake

not quite. basically if you give him a pancake he can eat for a day. great. his stomach is no longer empty that day. however teach him how to make them and it doesnt mean he has the ingredients so he is wiser yet hungry

[nvanherpt]

"Oh, it's the meek! Blessed are the meek! Oh, that's nice, isn't it? I'm glad they're getting something, 'cause they have a hell of a time."

[olitech]

P A N C A K E S -- F T W!!

Give a man a pancake, he'll eat for a day.
Teach a man to make pancakes, he'll eat FOREVER!!!



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All Hail the Mighty Pancake

not quite. basically if you give him a pancake he can eat for a day. great. his stomach is no longer empty that day. however teach him how to make them and it doesnt mean he has the ingredients so he is wiser yet hungry

Well said!

Then that's his fault....not the fault of the pancakes...!
It doesn't make them any less delicious..or fluffy...

[charleyc]

btw I have seen many discussions about Renderers, OS's and CPU's get out of hand quicker and more so than this thread. ergo, censoring ipraiseg's sigi was far from necessary.

Keep OS's out of this place!...this is supposed to be a cvilized enviroment.

I agree, it would seem that most everyone posting here is quite capable of discussing this topic without getting too upset. I certainly have not seen the same in regaurds to many of the other topics...like when 1.5 will be released that have been here.